2/4/2008
Poul Madsen, Dublin: Der er så meget for og imod!
Egentlig kommer Climate Change kun i anden række, for det, som det virkelig handler om - for mig - er sustainability, altså at vi kan leve et bæredygtigt liv, som belaster miljøet minimalt!
Problemet er, at vi er for mange mennesker - og vi er gridske og egoistiske!
Tog vi hensyn og var villige til at tilpasse os, ville isen aldrig kunne smelte... 2/4/2008
Kjeld: For en gangs skyld er jeg ikke enig. Det skyldes tre ting:
1. Klimamafiaen arbejder ikke for dig og mig. Tværtimod arbejder den for at kue os og for at hive flere penge ud af os. Helt overordnet er den et regulært værktøj for den ny verdensordens herskere.
2. Vi er ikke for mange mennesker, og de fleste er ikke griske og egoistiske. Jeg er ikke. Jeg tror heller ikke, du er. Fire milliarder mennesker lever i fin harmoni med deres miljø - hovedsagelig småfolk i den tredje verden - og småfolk mange andre steder. Men klimamafiaen elsker, at vi retter bebrejdelserne mod os selv.
Min mening: Lad være med det. Ret bebrejdelserne den rigtige vej. Vi har ikke bedt om alt det skrammel, der fylder vores liv, og som ødelægger kloden. Vi har levet udmærket, inden det blev til, og vi kan leve udmærket, efter at det er forsvundet.
3. Som sagt er der ikke tale om, at isen smelter. Også Sydpolen er i vækst - i følge samme kilde, jeg har brugt til artiklen.
Jeg er helt med på, at jordens miljø er under nedbrydning. Jeg er helt med på, at vi skrotter den teknologi, der ødelægger den. Men jeg tager ikke en stavelse fra klimamafiaen for gode varer. Og jeg glæder mig over, at dens informationssvindel gang på gang kan afsløres som ... svindel. 2/5/2008
Poul Madsen: Dit citat "Ret bebrejdelserne den rigtige vej. Vi har ikke bedt om alt det skrammel, der fylder vores liv, og som ødelægger kloden. Vi har levet udmærket, inden det blev til, og vi kan leve udmærket, efter at det er forsvundet", er jeg helt enig i!
Resten kan vi "skændes" om, når vi mødes :P
Pas godt på dig selv!
2/5/2008
Philip Jones: To Poul,
The main question relating to Global warming or `Climate Change` to use the new Politically Correct term is not whether the Earth's climate is warming, but if it is doing so as a result of Human Activity.
You my friend like the vast majority have sucked up the `LIE`, and the lie is in the why.
The report by the `Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) made public in 2007 amid a massive media propaganda assault became the accepted truth on Climate Change. It was trumpeted throughout the (Illuminati Controlled) world media that the report was an `Historical landmark` and that human caused Global Warming was an undeniable fact.
But wait a minute, what is this IPCC ? Firstly it is not a Scientific Body and does absolutely no research of it's own. It is in reality a Political Body with a Political Agenda. Enter Al Gore, the `High Priest` of the `Environmental` movement. Recently awarded a Nobel peace prize for his efforts as an environmentalist. Let us examine further. Do you really believe what that man says ?
Christopher Landsea, the Science and Operations Officer at the US National Hurricane Centre resigned from the IPCC, because in his words, "I personally cannot in good faith continue to contribute to a process that is entirely motivated by pre conceived political agendas and is scientifically unsound".
The Czech President Vaiklav Klause said after reading the report, " Global Warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so. The IPCC is not a scientific institution, it is a political body, a sort of NGO of a green flavour. It is neither a forum of neutral or balanced scientists. These are politicized scientists who arrive there with a one sided opinion and assignment".
We have now reached the point where anyone disputing the fact of man made climate change is targeted for character assasination throughout public life.
A familiar tactic to those who understand the Illuminati Global Agenda.
This is yet another example of `Problem Reaction Solution`. People around the world are now being programmed by fear into accepting a global carbon tax, along with the myriad of local, regional and national `green` taxes planned for introduction in order to further such our wealth, and introduce more laws to contol and dominate all of us.
The so called `war on terror` is the most recent manifestation of this process, but it is not new and has been proven to work time after time (see Pearl Harbour and the Beirut massacre of US marines in the 1980's)
Polution is a bad thing. No argument. But we need to see through the smokescreen and honestly reasearch why our global climate is rising. We are told that the earth is now warmer, than at any time since records began. But when did those records begin. In 1914, honestly !
What does that tell us when the planet's cycles are measured in thousands, even millions of years. A recent study by a team at Harvard discovered that the current temperature is nowhere near the highest it has been during the past thousand years, nor is the weather at it's most extreme. Between the 9th and 14th centuries, temperatures were significantly higher than today. (Must have been all those horses running around at high speeds).
You may be surprised to know that the current `warmer` temperatures are being caused by THE SUN, surprise surprise.
Dr S.Solanki of the Max Plank Institute for Solar Research in Germany said "The Sun has been at it's strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting Global Temperatures. It is in a changed state. It is brighter than it was a a few hundred years ago, and this change started relatively recently, during the last 100-150 years or so". He said that when there were increased `Sunspots` (Solar Explosions)the Earths temperature would rise. The number of Sunspots over the past 100 years has increased significantly and so therefore has the temperature.
The people controlling all our lives, known as the `Illuminati` know all of this. They rely on people swallowing all the rubbish aimed at them daily via the Illuminati owned media, the Illuminati controlled `State Education (indoctrination) system, and Illuminati controlled political puppets like Al Gore at al. Instead of blindly following the herd, think for yourself. Read Heising`s articles. The man is a visionary, and fully understands the world we live in.
Visit www.thetruthseeker.co.uk and or www.rense.com for a more informed understanding of the world around you.
To finish, you must reject the nonsense that there are too many people in the world. There are too many people crowded into the Cities for sure, but you should understand that the so called `Population Bomb` of Paul Erlich's back in the Sixties was yet another Illuminati (Rockerfeller) funded lie, to justify the Genocide they have planned. Are you aware of some simple facts. Not one nation in the West, except for Muslim Albania is replacing it's population through birth. The recent rise in the UK is a ruse (caused by the mass importation of immigramnts) to blind people to the fact that we are a dying breed. Any rise in population in the West is due to immigration. This has now plateaued out and is beginning to drop, as `family planning` begins to affect the immigrants too, who have also succumbed to the lure of materialism. The promotion of Feminism, Homosexuality, Family planning, Abortion, Chemicals in food and water, the quest for wealth and materialism and a host of other factors, all created and orchestrated by the same people now foisting the `Global Warming` lie upon us, has brought Western nations to a point unprecendented in the history of mankind. We are now actually choosing for ourselves not to have children. The family has been ruined, our girls have been taught to be boys, and 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week all year round, we are bombarded with devilish propaganda that makes Joseph Goebbels look like an amateur.
It's time to wake up Poul, before it's too late. One last thing. If I have managed to at least challenge some part of your belief system, then my work is done. I am not suggesting you take my word for it. Do the research. (By the way, 55% of the US population lives within 50 miles of both the Atlantic and Pacific Coasts. That leaves a lot of empty space). 2/5/2008
Prebenn: Jeg synes, det er godt og på en måde befriende, at sådanne oplysninger kommer frem.Jeg venter bare på, at globalisterne opdager, at de er gennemskuet. 2/5/2008
Lars Dahlager: Kjeld: Man skal være kritisk over for hvad man læser. Her er linket til udviklingen over længere tid end to år. Kilden er den samme, som Christopher Booker nævner i sit indlæg. Tendensen er temmelig klar.
Vejret skifter altid år for år og skiftende er meget store. Global opvarmning er et gennemsnitstal for alle egne af kloden og anfægtes ikke af ekstreme vejrsituationer rundt omkring i verden. 2/5/2008
Kjeld: Tak for den info. Og angående det kritiske er jeg enig. Af samme grund tog jeg i min artikel ikke stilling til Nordpolens skæbne over tid - kun til klimamafiaens svindelnummer fra sidste efterår.
Jeg finder det meget troværdigt, at jordens klima bliver varmere. Følgelig er det også troværdigt, at Nordpolsisen skrumper over tid. Jeg finder det også troværdigt, at årsagerne skal findes langt fra jorden og menneskene. Det eneste, jeg helt sikkert ikke finder troværdigt, er oplysninger fra IPCC.
Det var det, jeg ville begrunde med artiklen. 2/6/2008
Poul Madsen: Til Philip Jones,
Jeg er 100 % enig i, at man ikke skal tro alt, hvad man hører, og jeg synes, at det er fint, at blive opmærksom på en mulig miljø-mafia.
Men, som jeg skriver: Det afgørende er "sustainability, altså at vi kan leve et bæredygtigt liv, som belaster miljøet minimalt!"
Så er jeg da revnende ligeglad med, om der findes en miljø-mafia! Og jeg er revnende ligeglad med Climate Change, for det er kun et symptom.
Om vi er for mange mennesker eller ej - og det er osse til Kjeld - ja, jeg mener, at vi er for mange mennesker. Lige så snart vi rydder land og skov til fordel for flere mennesker i bolig-områder, motor-veje, industri-kvarterer osv. så dyre-bestande går ned, er summa-summarum, at vi er for mange! Jeg bor i Dublin, Irland, så jeg ved "sgu' godt, hvad det drejer sig om" (for nu at citere Kjeld Petersen med sit klaver).
2/6/2008
Poul Madsen: Jeg skulle nok lige tilføje, at jeg selv ikke selv lytter til oplysningerne fra IPCC eller andre, simpelthen fordi de er politisk motiverede og manipulerende - men så er det lige så rimeligt at stille spørgsmålstegn ved de oplysninger, der kommer fra en eventuel anti-klima-mafia.
Så er det trods alt bedre at lytte indadtil og selv tage stilling!
Og endelig: Jeg synes, at det er GODT ARBEJDE, det I gør med at skrive om en potentiel klima-mafia! Selvfølgelig findes der folk, som meler deres egen kage på hele denne miljø-bobble, så bliv endelig ved at afsløre!
2/6/2008
Philip Jones: Hej Poul,
Tennis er ikke min sport saa i stedet at spille med dig, skal jeg giv mine `Contentions`, og derefter kan du laese eller bar ignorere dem.
1. Human created Carbon Emmisions do not cause Climate Change. Please read the following in support of this at
www.anxietycentre.com/greens/main.htm
www.anxietycentre.com/climate/main.htm
www.davidicke.com/content/view/35/26/
www.davidicke.com/content/view/33/26/
www.davidicke.com/content/view/36/26/
www.rense.com/general79/d3m.htm
www.rense.com/general75/oppo.htm
www.rense.com/politics6/mythmnmade.htm
www.rense.com/general76/amz.htm
www.rense.com/general77/global.htm
Finally, for a huge volume of independent research and information visit http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=theme+themeID=4 or simply visit the home page and click on `environment`
Up until a year ago, I was a regular contributor to the World Wildlife Fund, until I read this; http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitical_1001club01.htm
This `Conservationist Charity` is nothing other than another cover for the world wide implementation of the New World Order, and has nothing to do whatsoever with saving animals. It has and does however organise the deaths of human beings on a huge scale.
2. There are not too many people in the world. In fact, there are not enough and there is a diabolical plan to cull 80% of the worlds population. This plan has been underway in the West since the mid 1960's via the use of `Contraception, Abortion, the promotion of Feminism, homosexuality and the emasculation of the western male. Furthermore, Western fertilty rates have been corrupted through the use of sterilents in the water supply such as fluoride, (also in toothpaste), by vaccines designed to increase sterility rather than immunise against disease. In fact, the greatest immunity given by these poisons is an immunity against conception. Just look around you, at all the childless couples, all those pathetic women in their forties, flocking to the Fertility Clinics. As I said previously, we are a dying species, not a growing one, with not one Western Country reproducing sufficiently to maintain even a `Status Quo`. In fact in real terms, the statistics prove conclusively that the net population of the Western Countries will fall by 100,000,000 people up to and including year 2050.
Now, you might think this is a good thing, but understand once it happens, there is no turning back, beacause with less children being born, and an ageing dying population, the whole thing becomes an irreversible downward spiral (and by the way, don't expect to be receiving any pension in your old age, because there'll be noone left of a working age, to pay the taxes).
This is an AGENDA which has been orchestrated by a cabal of evil with it's roots in the ancient world. This `cabal` is made up of the Super Wealthy Bankers and Industrialists, and their Puppet Politicians. They like you think there are too many people in the world. They don't want to share their wealth with you or I. No, they will inhabit a `Paradise` world with a billion or so `slaves`, microchipped and totally controlled to do their bidding. Be aware, that when the wilderness returns, and the waters are clean again, and multitudes of wildlife abounds, unless your name happens to be Rothschild, or Rockerfeller, or Gates, or one of the 1001. You will never see it, nor will any of your offspring either.
From the day of your birth, you have been led by the nose into believing a `reality` which simply does not exist. The very people who are so active in the `Green Agenda` are the same individuals who are despoiling the planet. The Rockerfellers and their ilk, with their multi national conglomerates. They own the `money` and therefore they own govenments. Bush & co. do not make decisions, they carry them out on behalf of their masters.
They use war as a means of `culling`, as if we were baby seals on an Alaskan shore.
I just like you wish for a cleaner, safer world. A world where wildlife is abundant, where Foxes and Rabbits and Deer can live without some moron with a shotgun and little better to do on a Saturday morning going out to murder them.
But you are mistaken. Your dogmatic views are not your own. They have been programmed into you by a `Systematic propaganda machine` of the like the world has never seen.
Kjeld Heising has written most elequently in Danish on the programe of UN sponsored genocide underway in Africa. Just read his articles. They are very well informed and constructed. He know's what's going on. Forget the `Ruse`papers and the TV `Ruse`. It's all a bunch of crap. The same people talking up `Global Warming`, the `War on Terror`, the need for European Intergration, The Population Explosion, Equality, Diversity, and all the `isms` are the same people poluting the planet with their industrial monstrosities, are behing the so called `Terrorist Attacks`, Sterilising the planets women and emasculating it's men. The same people are creating ever more inequality as they get richer and richer whilst the `3rd world` dies and we ourselves become poorer, and fewer. They are the one's behind the explosion in the pornography industry, which is degrading the female in a manner hitherto undreamed of. They are the ones indoctrinating our children with perverse `alternative` lifestyle ideologies. They are creating a `conformity` of global behaviour, ideas, dress, food, likes, dislikes and in every other way possible destroying the glorious diversity of mankind. These people own the MEDIA from which you get your information. Check it out. `Google` Conrad Black, Rupert Murdoch, Bill Gates.
The whole planet is caught in the jaws of evil. It's not the number of people in the world that is the problem. It's the tiny minority of super rich Illuminati cabalists who despoil, kill, destroy and pollute. Kill them, not the 6 Billion innocents destined for `termination`.
I know this is a lot to take in. You have two choices. Ignore it and continue your dilusional state of existence. Or do the research, then make up your mind.
IT IS NOT NATURAL TO WISH THE DEMISE OF ONE'S OWN SPECIES. IT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT NATURE IS. JUST THINK OF A ZOO. WHEN ANIMALS IN CAPTIVITY REFUSE TO BREED, IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE IN CAPTIVITY, AND INSTICTIVELY REALISE THERE IS NO FUTURE. SO IT IS WITH YOU AND THOSE WITH THE SAME VIEWS AS YOU.
Check out the below links to get the truth on the `Depopulation Agenda`.
http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_depopu.htm
http://www.isranet..org/DataBank/france_muslim%community.htm
http://mercatornet.com/articles/europe_has_forgotten_its_families/
http://www.radioliberty.com/pca.htm
Finally, Heising has many articles in danish on this subject. Use these links to support his claims.
Postscript. It would be of great benefit to you if you read `The Death Of The West` by Sen. Patrick.J.Buchanan. It can be bought through www.amazon.co.uk for under £5 plus postage from one of the US marketplace sellers.
Regards and good reading,
Philip
2/6/2008
Pervaiz Jamal: Assalama Aleikum,
Ever since my wife and I came to the West, the `authorities` have been trying to get us to `limit` the size of our family. Drs, Social Workers and Health Visitors have been very keen to get my wife to use contraceptive pill. We only have three children. I work, I provide for my family. It is our duty to give back to God and the earth. It is our nature. Now we are told that our 12 yr old girl must be vaccinated with Gardasil. It is `the law`.
What sort of society can demand such a thing ?
When one is stood outside the `Goldfish Bowl` it is easy to look in and get a clear view. I don't think Poul in Dublin can see the `forest for all the trees`.
One only has to read the Science journals online which are not affiliated to one of the Top Universities, or funded by some `NGO` (non governmental organisation)to find a vast array of evidence from notable scientists who reject and renounce and disprove the whole Global warming Scam.
This article was originally about Climate change, but has `morphed` into a debate about `population`. When Paul Erlich's book, the population bomb was first published, it became a `Holy Cow` of that well known `humanitarian` Dr. Henry Kissenger. A man whose title of Doctor deserves the same amount of reverence as that of Dr Joseph Mengele. Kissinger reported to Nixon that `population control` especially in the 3rd world was vital to America's national security. From this comes all the carnage and UN sponsored killer vaccines being forced on African's and other developing regions by the World Bank. Another Illuminati arm.
It has been much simpler to convince western women that having children is of lesser importance than their careers. This has been accomplished using state propaganda, women's magazines, State Education, popular culture, media, movies, pop songs etc. But I don't see women in Europe or America as being happy and fulfilled. they appear to me as being frustrated, stressed, lonely, in a manner, schitzophrenic and in many cases disfunctional.
The idea that there are not enough resources to `SUSTAIN` is nonsense. Just look at the food and wine mountains in the EU. It's like Diamonds. People thimk that Diamonds are exepensive because they are rare. Diamonds are not rare in nature. They are only rare because the Oppenheimers make sure that the supply to the world is limited and strictly controlled. This is how it will soon be with food, and oil and other essential commodities.
Peak Oil is another scam. There is a proven abundance of oil in the ground. But the Oil Barons make sure that supply is limited, thereby justifying the price increases we are experiencing now, and this is only the beginning.
Global warming is caused by the sun, not CFS's, and is a justification for the imposition og `carbon taxes` and ever more control on our lives.
Terrorism is a creature of intelligence agencies on behalf of Illuminati Gansters.
Overpopulation is an excuse for depopulation.
Diamonds are not rare, and should not be considered intrinsically valuable.
Money as we know it does not exist, except in the form of interest bearing debt, or USURY which is condemned by God (of the Jews and Christians also).
Peak Oil is an excuse to charge exorbitant prices for an energy source which is past it's `sell by` date and could be replaced by `free energy` if there was the will top do so.
Children do not need to be vaccinated, the human immune system is ruined by this poison. It's only purpose is to sterilise and `pacify`.
If people persist in viewing the world through the pages of newspapers, or on a TV screen, then their only perception will be the one given them by the media tycoon Bilderberger types controlling our lives.
I am careful to remain ireligous when writing, but for a man to say that there are too many people in the world, and that we are the cause of some imagined environmental disaster is so misconceived and against every Godly belief, whether one is Christian, Muslim or Jew.Even pagan cultures venerate the birth of children. Where does this hatred of self originate ? It is programmed via the propaganda avenues of State Education and State/Corporate Media outlets.
We are entering an era of `Fascism` which is so unlike the 1930's, because people have been brainwashed into actually agreeing with this nightmare. Mussolini described fascism as a merger of State and Corporate interests. Just look around you. That describes every western government, The EU for certain, and many Arab and 3rd world countries too.
There is a word for selective breeding. It is Eugenics, and it was a favourite of the Nazi's. It never went away, it simply transmuted it's epicenter to the US, and has been promoted ever since by institutions like the Rockerfeller Foundation and the Carnegie Institute. These are the same people shouting up global warming. People like Maurice Strong, a Canadian Multi Millionaire, Bilderberger head honcho of the UN Environmental task force. No sign of Mr Strong giving up his private Jet to `conserve` carbon emmisions though.
Poul, you are naive, and you should not say that you are `ligeglad`. Firstly, I don't believe that you are, and secondly, it is a very irresponsible thing to be.
Wasalaam
Pervaiz
2/6/2008
Kjeld til Poul: Poul, concerning the section in your posting you also address to me: In a way I agree with you: We have cleared our forests to make space for ourselves. Now, they do the same in the in the rainforest areas, and we may be in trouble with oxygen. Your equation says we are too many. Yet you also say, that as long as our life is sustainable, everything is fine. The conslusion could in other words also be: We are not too many, but we take too much space.
Or: Not our number but our way of life is idiotic. So far, I think we agree.
My point is that we - common people - did not choose the way of life. We didn't ask for factories, roads, cars, machines and all that shit. Yes, we took it when it came, we adjusted, and in that sense you can put another attribute to us: We are too stupid.
Or: We are too weak.
But are we responsible? Yes, if you think we ourselves control our way of life. If you believe our society is governed by the people. Yes yes yes. But are we? Or are we members of a giant sheep-herd, guarded by wolves all around?
I hate to reject responsibility. Some years back I would have said yes, we are responsible. But having today learned a little of how the world functions, I am not sure.
What I do know is that the globalist mafia wants us to feel guilty. In any relation to that, I completely deny part of it.
By the way, I like your statement "men så er det lige så rimeligt at stille spørgsmålstegn ved de oplysninger, der kommer fra en eventuel anti-klima-mafia. Så er det trods alt bedre at lytte indadtil og selv tage stilling!"
That's a good one. We find the truth by our instincts and innermost feelings. You might put it in another way - but thats ... my way (as we sing). 2/6/2008
Poul Madsen: To Kjeld and your statement: "The conslusion could in other words also be: We are not too many, but we take too much space."
I couldn't agree more, hence I'll change my statement and refrain from using "we're too many", however, our impact is still a disaster!
To Pervaiz Jamal and your statement: "There is a proven abundance of oil in the ground".
How do you know? Which source has come up with that proof? Did you examine the source and proof yourself? No, of course you didn't, neither would I and it's beside the point: Leave the oil where it is! Why do we have to drill everywhere. Why are we using, using, using? You are only looking for an excuse to keep using!
To Philip: Why are you writing endless comments and listing loads and loads of links and socalled statistical facts? You are doing exactly what IPCC and the rest of the climate-mafia is being blamed for! Useless proof! If you are doubting IPCC or others why shouldn't I be doubting you and your list of sources? I doubt I have "sucked up the lie" as you put it! Some perhaps, but not all of it. I've seen books filled with photos of icy landscapes now and in the past to prove the melting ice. Maybe the book lies, maybe not! I'm not bying it anyway. To me, it's still a matter leaving as little an impact as possible.
You can have 6 kids, fine, I don't mind as long as you and your family leave as much space for animals as they had before. You can use all the oil you want - as long as you or any human leave the balance of the climate unchanged and as long as you don't drain the ground (the latter is hardly possible). 2/6/2008
Philip Jones: Poul,
Have you taken the time to visit any of the links at all? You seem to have a preconceived idea of what the world is and how it should be. You are locked into the `Concensus view`of reality. Nobody, and believe me when I tell you this, nobody has more concern for our winged, finned and four legged friends than I. But you speak about making an impact. Of couse we make an impact, it's inevitable, ( I reckon after 150 million years, the Dinosaurs made something of an impact too) but your rigid dogmatic viewpoint is not yours, it just isn't. You may believe that it is, but you have become another `repeater`. But of course, you have a right to your beliefs and the way it is going, it's all academic anyway. The difference between us is this; I have arrived at my current idealogical position as part of a journey which has involved me once holding many of the views you now have. But, I have read the opposing arguments, researched them, and found that they appeared to be based on sound universal principals, and have convinced me personally. You ask why I am quoting facts. Because holding an opinion based on nothing more than `a feeling in your insides` is fine, we all have them, but why resist the opportunity to read something which might so contradict that inner feeling, that it could possibly change that feeling based on information which even to yourself might seem logical, rational and reasonable. If I were to simply say, "you are wrong, I am right, because I feel it inside me that I am right", I am sure that you would think me insignificant. The issue here once again is not whether our planet is in a mess ecologically. It is ! The question is whether mankind is causing Global warming, and whether there are too many people on this planet. I could continue ad infinitum here, but what would be the point. If the links which I provided cannot convince you otherwise, then you are so firmly entrenched in your position, that nothing I can say will alter it. Furthermore, if you cannot be bothered to even read the information for yourself, then your mind is closed. So be it. If you feel that there are too many of us, perhaps you should consider your own tenure on this planet, or perhaps that of your loved ones. Who decides who lives and dies Poul ? Or do we hold a lottery, or wait until there are no more children born, or at least not enough to matter. By the way, don't talk to me about dublin, I spent 15 years in Central london. I know all about modern city life, traffic, people, industry etc. Dubin's a village in comparison. Enough ! 2/6/2008
Philip Jones: That's Dublin not Dubin by the way. 2/6/2008
Poul Madsen: Am I rigid? Yeah, I'll admit that.
Are you rigid? Yeah!!!! Will you admit it?
Difference between London and Dublin: Dublin has a much higher rate of growth in population. London has an alternative to cars: The Underground, and I absolutely love it. Dublin has no alternatives realistically. 2/6/2008
Poul Madsen: Oh, sorry, I hadn't read your statement: "The issue here once again is not whether our planet is in a mess ecologically. It is!".
That's my point too, no more, no less!
Let's keep it at that! 2/6/2008
Pervaiz Jamal: Assalama Aleikum,
It is obvious Poul that you have either not read my reply, or have not understood it. You will, if you check it note that I state that Oil is `past it's sell by date` and that free energy technology is proven. I am no eco `bum`. I care about the planet as much as you do. But you must know the facts.
If you visit www.energyreport2003.com/oil_textonly there is ample evidence of an abundance of oil all around the Caspian Sea area. I am not saying we should use it, or drill, I'm just saying that it is there, and that the whole notion and justification of `peak oil` is that there is a shortage. Oil is unecessary, but it fills the pockets of the industrialists good enough. You are right in a small way. For every report supporting, there is another disproving, but unless you read both sides, your views become unbalanced.
But why are you so antagonistic towards your own species, whilst so concerned for others. People have slaughtered, abused, and crimminally victimised other creatures. of that there can be no argument. But it's not everyday ordinary people. it's the Manufacturing Industrialist Money whores. target them, not the innocents. Perhaps you should take a trip down to Iraq, or Afghanistan, Palestine or Darfur. Have you ever seen a child whose body has been destroyed by a bomb, or a bullet. Maybe you would reevaluate your distaste for your own kind. We should love all God's creatures including ourselves.
What has despoiled our planet is the greed of the few, who gather all the wealth unto themselves, and manipulate the rest to enable them to do that.
It doesn't have to be that way, but accepting genocide, or even autocide is hardly the answer. You should check out some of the links provided by Philip Jones. You don't have to accept the findings, but at least you will gain a more balanced viewpoint. Or is it that you are afraid of having your way of seeing things, challenged. It's up to you my friend. You get to choose don't you.
Wasalaam
Pervaiz 2/7/2008
Philip Jones: Poul,
How on earth can I be rigid. I have had all the so called `evidence` of man made climate change rammed down my throat by the owned and controlled media since the 1980's. Until quiet recently I believed it all, like most people do. Until I began to research the subject myself. That is not rigidity, that is being open to other ideas.
You know, you pontificate about animals and their having enough space, but the thing is, I agree 100 %. I have two dogs, labradors. Everytime they go outdoors, someone moans about them. The Deer around here run around from one field to another in constant fear with no natural habitat left to them. Local idiots spend their weekend mornings shooting at Foxes. Endangered species everywhere. It's rotten and I hate it, just as much as you do, probably more. But is our joining them the answer ?
I am glad that you like London, I did too. I worked as a Police Officer there for 15 years. Dublin's a small city in comparison, 1,025 million people as compared to 10 million or there abouts in London. 43,000 Danes permanently resident in London. They must like it too.
Do me a small favour; `de rigidify` (not a real word) yourself for half an hour every evening once a week and check out some of the links. You may not agree with them, but I am sure you will at the very least find them interesting. Go on, you know it makes sense.
Philip 2/11/2008
Kaj Krinsmøe: To Prebenn (05-02-08)
Du siger "Jeg venter bare på, at globalisterne opdager, at de er gennemskuede".
Globalisterne taler altid til flertallet gennem de løgnagtige massemedier, og dér er der ingen som gennemskuer noget. Du er inde for en lang ventetid.
Sammenlignet med den vestlige verdens nuværende medier, var Dr. Goebbel's propagandemaskine oprigtigheden selv. |
